Forum free the third time: the artist's rights change the way mm
Time: August 28, 2009 14:00-18:00
Academic Director: kaolinite
planning: Zhang Xiaotao
Location : 798 Art District, SZ
order: Liu Zhibin
kaolinite: I introduce today, representatives of various artistic area: 798 is the Huang Rui, Xu Yong, Shu Yang; cable Village Art District, the more the beam, package foam, Li Gang; Central Rail House Art Zone Zhang Xiaotao, He Chongyue, Yuan Jia; Dongying Arts District is Xiao Lu, Duan Jiang Hua, Wu Qiang, Chen Rongyi.
Our approach is representative of each unit of the artists brief demolition of their respective arts district details, we want to help more people through the media to know what's going on. I personally and on behalf of each arts area for discussion on some issues, to carry on this topic. purpose is to arouse not only colleagues is only art, but also to arouse involves the demolition of the relevant villages, towns, arts Zone attention. everyone to do more to think about all aspects of the problem, not only from their own considerations, but also requires both sides to transposition for thought. We can start from the microscopic to talk about some of the country's development bottlenecks, many topics can be started.
now on the first unit, Dongying Arts District has been facing demolition, so our first unit from the Dongying Art District started. the main consideration is to be the demolition of Dongying the end of September, so Dongying artists, should be said that feelings are the most urgent, I think I can ask them to do first the case of demolishing some of the basic ins and outs of the introduction, because there are some cases I have not too clear. I would like to start with Mr. Duan Jianghua give an introduction. For example, when Dongying Arts District is established? Dongying how many artists? come from the country where?
paragraph Jianghua: I considered Art District, Dongying Check the first artists moved in in 2007. to the present time less than three years, the park has more than sixty artists from around the country. I Hunan, Hunan, more artists. you know artists, may as Xiao Lu, Li Tianyuan, Lin had, Li Lu Ming, Lu Hao, Xin Haizhou, etc..
far as I know, developers and the village was signed 25 years, this year, when he had just started to make money , met the demolition of the thing. as a developer, for him, the big losses. as an artist is concerned, we do not know of any case of a sudden there is such a message, so this month inside the park, Xinhuang Huang I feel a little person, and we are busy looking for an apartment. Although it has not had a meeting in Dongying artists, but the question is how we talk like we should have with the developers to win back the rights and interests. probably two or three weeks ago, the property was not in any prior notice, posted a notice: did not meet. us here have never seen this artist developer, to me personally, I was familiar with the developers, many artists introduced me to stay through the coming, and now I see him. < br> Now the problem of Dongying is a government action, as the development of their own victimization and getting bigger, it has invested so big, put in just over two years, may have just cost recovery. But anyway, we have to make their voices heard, because Dongying District, may with the other arts there are not the same, there are some problems for developers, and Dongying is the government. so we are considering the next step Dongying artist's intention. If we have such a Artist's Union, to protect our rights, to make our voice heard, to seek to maximize benefits, I would like to tend to, we will pay a full and active participation.
Chen Rongyi: the current situation in Dongying, that is, developers have been silence, it had received documents when the demolition is not to tell you that just a rumor, and he has been pressing, and finally there is no way to just tell you that he is taking one step. Therefore, the present situation which I will not talk , I talk about some of the feelings of this arts district.
developer is in fact the art market have pushed this under the Cultural District. In this case, from the field to so many artists in Beijing, the development Business is actually numb, the artist is numb. which I personally feel that, in the Art Park, the artist is not in a very good social conditions, such as the development of this community has been very sound, the Government, including the whole community have a good mechanism and social environment of the conditions to allow a group of people a better life for artists to better create, as a cultural Ye Hao, Ye Hao for the community, for the arts Ye Hao, to do some things that some and give him a role or a processing capacity. But these things are not here. and some were of interest, are driven by the interests of all. The Government think that the arts industry can bring wealth to the country, it was silent, the development In this case, commercial interests have done to the arts area, is also hum and haw; artists to rent, but to now be torn down, the artist felt injustice; developers also feel sorry for the artist, but the developers still have to make money . I think there are developers with the victims of the artist, the artist is the biggest and the first victim.
to developers and artists who bring harm to it? is the government. because our government in this country The following is not a design for a certain group of people a place, or from the idea, system, and so are not guaranteed. I think in this case, the result is obvious.
I think that the relatively Dongying such a beautiful Beijing , and also more perfect the art district. from the earliest art district is a precedent Yuanmingyuan, the Summer Palace Arts District was dismantled in 1995, but this and the Winter Palace Arts District's split in the form a bit different, in fact, essentially the same. essence forcibly removed, expelled. when the police come to drive away, is the repatriation of origin. so there are moved to Songzhuang, middle of the night secretly find their own path. but not quite the same form, not the police come to catch you, now is the consumption with you. I had one today, I would like to put in Xiamen in 2003 to do a work called with contemporary art criticism, it is also for the entire modernization process forward, to the rich culture, to the higher, the direction of globalization, the highest human cultural development. But the government is not the case, this is a major problem. < br> So I still think that up to now, the Chinese government does not respect the artist, there is no respect for the arts, and no respect for the culture. all of the cultural industry, and all cultures, and so are the eyes of a cultural group of those in power, so I think there also exists a great problem. While on the surface tolerance, and contemporary art in the capital, the effect of capital is government, with the capital to digestion, and so critical of contemporary art. I think that from the Arts District, the demolition of happened, it is a word in the day to process, so that this gap narrowed with the make up. but now apparently not so optimistic.
kaolinite: as put ourselves in, so Chen Rongyi compared the expression of sincere, from their point of view, Tan Ledui Dongying Art District demolition of some thoughts, it seems he's feeling a lot.
that there are mainly related to the problem, you just said about the first one is the developer. This is inside the developer, I understand two two levels:
First, as Chaoyang District, designated by the Government this time the demolition of the construction company or developer;
Second, builders, Dongying, Dongying is built these houses, this is the second developer. < br> we do know is that the reserve for land, Chaoyang District, leaving rural and urban transformation of the body, but also to take the lead over the land acquisition. Why acquisition? My personal understanding, probably because of land prices every day, the Government contribution to the demolition, the Government should pay the money to pay back the demolition demolition of the money rather than later, is paid to the developer, or is paid to the other, for example, farmers in Dongying Village, will be less money in this manner, if the evening will certainly be removed pay more. So it is certainly from the earlier demolition. early split from the benign sense, to prevent the hoarding of land after the development zone, driving up prices, this is speaking from the front. But do not rule out some cases, from the experience of the past for the demolition of a certain area, a term government officials, too early in the implementation of the demolition, of course, the middle may be some profit from the possibility, after all, speaking from the positive aspects of the land to subside We see a lot of the media are speaking, so it should come to the demolition.
then demolition when it happens and your relationship is built in Dongying the boss, that is, between the two developers, who give two developers to do compensation. two developers, the focus of the problem for the artist, the artist's renovation, the studio who is going to compensate for renovation costs? core is the question. Now Simply put, because you can back rent, or rent delay in delivery is the cost. there is psychological trauma, is this the old move, one or two years to move once the first six months of this drift being moved, who make up? that material things can come make up, who make up the spirit of what the problem.
In other words, the background of the above terms, on the one hand is the artist to seek a stable, relatively ample space for a creative artist that we spent the rent, we want to get a safe long-term space. On the other hand, is the second developer that he was for his money obtained from the government's demolition of huge profits, while still in the middle of the process of waiting to win a small profit from you here, You make a small profit, it means so back to reality. so the middle of the business driven, these developers should do in your renovation costs necessary to some compensation. because they receive government Caqianfei as many as several thousand, anywhere from two to three thousand, have received compensation. The reason why he is to account for the storage and other demolition that day, so we said, the reform and opening up the past three decades, a group of people, why do we say increasingly rich The more money, is the truth. is his money, he can go to open up the relationship, understanding the urban fringe, where a future planning, he understood that after the first start of the planning store, build a house, build a simple house rental, open Restaurants can, open the club can be, you can drive a car repair workshop, open storage can be, anything goes, or we see a lot of fringe resorts, fishing, fishing park, picking garden, these are the master, have been people rent down, down is waiting for demolition of rent that day. the middle piece of the artist, but he's a lot of money waiting for a little money. So I think that developers should be responsible, we wish to discern a truth through this, I hope These developers should have some basic conscience. So there we have to discuss that today, the core here.
national development, economic development, which is a big trend, it is to use the land. The key is say that we have knowledge of the artist rented these places, we are all individuals, we are limited financially.
Xiao Lu: I brought a notice that we Dongying in the August 16, each posted a notice of the door to inform us move out before October 1, 10 months after the demolition. you want in such a short period of time to find a house, but also the decoration, it is not possible, so I think a very real problem, that is to fight for time. with the two landlords, the property is to gain time with us. because looking for an apartment need renovation, so he cast in such a short period of time we go, this is a very human, but also impossible .
there is one, above the requirements of the township government and the time we moved, in fact, we do not know now. Dongying situation, as it has been known to move many people do not want to pay the rent, he can not receive the rent is below Perhaps he would want us to leave early. If we go, we would like to see above them for the specific time to go, should not be let go so early. I said this is a more realistic sense, because our time is not enough, so I would like to appeal here to give us some time, and in winter, is not found. because I went to several places now, and certainly not a place to say, as you move below, do not want two or three years have been driven, so looking for a quieter place and time to decorate, so too late.
because China policy has not changed in the land before all the land between the interests of profit is illegal , so that there are a lot of speculators, because the policy is not laid down big before the land without basic assurances, all of the real estate developers, to do long-term plans, short-term plan, and profit are illegal, are is temporary. I think: First, we decorated the money for compensation. Second, to gain time. This is a very real problem. big things, with the largest national policy simply can not fight, and on our personal interests for these two points are very realistic.
WU Qiang: Art in Beijing, of course, it is undoubtedly a big group. But we are a group it? interests in the face of the artist was damaged, I think that group to To make their voices heard, this is a must. all interests or all should enjoy the right to be fighting for our own, and I hope everyone can realize that. I think as artists, should have such awareness, should make their voices heard. It is our right, they should discuss to come back, at least in the face of interest is aggression, not submission and weakness, should do this.
Xiao Lu: We should look There is no sign the contract, breach of contract if the contract did not how to do when the time should look at the contract.
Chen Rongyi: each of our contracts are beneficial to the Party, that contract is about, if you encounter are not protest, national policies, natural disasters, to no compensation. So there is definitely above contract this one, if by that something is detrimental to us.
kaolinite: The question is irresistible national regulations, you have the landlord may already know.
Chen Rongyi: must know, just say that kaolinite, a developer of the land through some channels to know how many years to develop, and then early start, this thing is that we do not know may be the developer know. So far, we Dongying developers, not the whole show up, there is no direct confrontation with us, nor did they find positive about to send a property, the notice is affixed to the property.
kaolinite: Art Zone Dongying time is clear, is unambiguous. So what happened now Dongying artists already forced imminent, I think the statements of several artists can be clearly seen, according to my contacts, because I often to Dongying. So I can understand that, in fact, the problems of these art park, although some not quite the same way, but the internal structure is the same, the structure is the same contradictions, is to large hoarding of land, a large number of hoarding temporary buildings, temporary buildings built to when such demolition can benefit from it. waiting for the middle, he can win the foot incidentally about the artist's interests, calling for artists and prosperity of the cultural and creative industries Cui Ge Zhuang area. < br> For example, this time to think can be a problem, is that brand Cui Ge Zhuang, standing at the edge rings, What is meant? is referring Cuigezhuang out of the money built these houses to the name of the township government to pay artists to build the house, please? No. is a private capital in, what I just said the two developers come in, build the house, leased to artists, profit from, so that the directly with the Cuigezhuang, Dongying gone, grassland away, cable village is gone, this brand should be removed by the artist directly to it, because it does not make sense, this brand stand here? had set the the sign, the township government, it is they want in the Chaoyang District government, or the Chaoyang District government that we have here the gathering place for artists, we must love, or is to hold the policy. because the policy, when the demolition of the time, when there are contradictions , this time there is something with the Government that the Government should have the views of guidance, Chaoyang District government, said the government should talk to Cui properly handle the various townships, or how the possibility of a buffer.
next to set the House Manor Art District, took the floor, this is the flashback. now the artist Please estate on behalf of the government came to power. Zhang Xiaotao, He Chongyue, Yuan Jia. Solution, there is no area much the same, the solution is to compensate?
Zhang Xiaotao: We like this area of Dongying , 798, Sok village slightly different problem, we are the co-rent, and then through several petitions, the village, district, have been to the city, the situation is to maintain the status quo. because they did not seal the demolition order is not that we had this serious situation. I think the main area, or how to focus on the art of Paul down, and this is petition to the city, and we went to the four, aged number of people. This is the area inside, they did not give We answer. But by the end of July and early June have forced the village is very tough demolition order. because in July, we went to higher authorities after the stop down, until now.
He Chongyue: Simply put what I will House Arts District was built in 2006 in June, I went in September, nearly nearly three years so far. from the beginning had no stability, from time to time, developers started to power, water, Dulu has been no corpuscles. between relatively good period of time, probably since last year, Xiao Lu received early this year began to talk about the forced evictions, we received a lot of times, can remember. We have people Chaoyang District The official seal, posted about three or four times. There the police. My own experience is that we all band together to complain to district, to the two did not reply, Chaoyang District, who work with us: back so soon have results. were run under, on top do not know. I passed the demolition of this matter, I have with the village leaders, township leaders, no one will sit down and talk with the artists, that I have to tear down this place, talk about your design or use, did not care for you, just put up a demolition of the content, so that You get out on the end. Why? we live here have spent so much money, you say people we stay away. we feel this feeling does not go pharynx. at best split, even went to village-like cable to be with them fight in the end, Dongying, too, must not go, you have to have an explanation.
Xiao Lu: Dongying problem is water, power how do you solve?
He Chongyue: time off our electricity, the transformers replaced a lock, the developers, we played 110.110 after receiving the alarm, the arrival of a policeman. Police said: To find an explanation. .
Xiao Lu: We have to fight about, for two years.
Yuan Jia: I am a student, this year did not graduate. I moved to the Arts District in October last year. that I am from the decoration to the present less than a year, everyone knows is a very difficult process, but also a lot of money invested. This year will demolition, my loss is very serious, and this loss is not just money, so simple, is because the artist studio space he created, is the art of soil, and space force the artist to give away the fact of our creation to forcibly deprived areas, the artist is if there is no room for creativity difficult to carry on.
If moving house, that is the need for funds, the renovation will take time, and we budget every year how much money and time to move? if you can find the right distance, affordable place? face such many difficulties, we must continue to insist on doing art? So, I think I am here today not just to bring things are about to demolition, innocence here, more importantly, for tomorrow we can do the art to for help and protection.
Zhang Xiaotao: I have a suggestion, the district government, municipal government most want you to tell developers to sue the developer if the result is definitely lost, the rules are to safeguard their interests, court proceedings were still to perform, Inspection Team, the demolition order. in my blog, said: > kaolinite: From the history of art is concerned, the artist's studio, in fact, from the early art not as an independent prior art as a workshop, from the , art entered into as a market-oriented, works of art to sell, you can no longer accept the nobility of the funding is no longer a personal pursuits, but as a work of art into commercial distribution after the space for artists to create works of art , the artist's studio, it is first a personal privacy of space. at least in the modern Western civilization on the one hand is the development of the city, more and more large-scale public space. On the other hand, are increasingly in the urban space Vietnam to seek, through construction, and home, residential changes, changes in residential units, including the teacher engaged in sculpture but also understand, should be the building. in this private space inside the city has also been followed by the expansion of the private space of the property, private the nature of space, its design, style, and people enjoy privacy space requirements are also increasing. So the artist, the studio mean? If we as a studio artist in the traditional sense of the past plant The gathering area is art and art business created between privacy, whether it is a What is the relationship?
this demolition, has always been discussed for many such problems, which are in fact cultural and creative, cultural and creative if the case is Any ideas can not be separated issues to consider.
package bubble: Xiaotao and He Chongyue just heard some of the problems that feeling deep. heard a few artists to speak, I think artists have the artist's method. I want to say a slightly different point of views The two zones such as Shenzhen and cultural development zone organized by the Ministry of Culture, but the culture is a bottom-up development zones, economic development zones from top to bottom. Therefore, cultural development and economic development, all the arts zone exists, go through the creation of contemporary people. But the main image of our contemporary culture, I have recently written several articles, attention, lack of attention to contemporary artists, lack of attention to contemporary art, contemporary living space mm studio artists get attention, this phenomenon is currently one of the major changes in contemporary Chinese cultural system.
Zhang Xiaotao: We can not wait for the time that institutional change, institutional change, will never support contemporary art. Now is the right to fight for this little bit.
package bubble: I think there are three solutions. this thing is better publicity, the opportunity to promote Chinese contemporary culture, not a bad thing, is China's development, the Chinese really powerful, not to say that we are now tens of thousands of million fine, the largest U.S. bond state. China's real development, I think that Eastern culture clear understanding of methodology, enrich and promote the development of human civilization, but the process should be process. because the current would also like to say Sinology, wearing robes, bowed Zuo Yi, this retrogression is still considerable. Therefore, in the Beijing Internationally, in Chinese history, there is so much a contemporary cultural development of the position, it should be said in human history is also important.
798 is only a beginning, a contemporary art is, and soon there will be other . So in this case, the development of Chinese contemporary art in this state, from this point to understand is very normal. this normal, have all said to be sufficiently careful, this confidence, we are going to understand the actual form is the artist of contemporary art in Chinese culture the development of positive, filled with enthusiasm, this is very great.
So, in theory, the academic said it fine, that through. organizational scholars, we have to speak out, publishing articles, the organization of speech. but also improve our own, but also with the international standards.
kaolinite: a strategically advantageous position because the teacher just talked about a number of packages culture, the quality of the cultural strategy, and now we want to, because the front spoke of Dongying, spoke of the government estate, describes some of the cases, participants also feel very urgent, express their views.
third unit now is like this, in fact, been encountered in recent years , the next two units, that is, please have repeatedly encountered this problem, one is inside the 798 Art District on behalf of artists and art institutions. There Please ask the representative of the artist village, to present their past experiences, and their views on this issue.
So now the third unit is 798, please Mr. Xu Yong, Shu, Mr. Yang, Mr. Zhu Yan statement.
Shu Yang: Actually, I speak on behalf of the qualifications of 798 units is not too full, and Xu Yong, Huang Rui, who is more qualified. Huang Rui had to help him today, I read a document, probably because the question did not receive Email. Huang Rui, all of us to protect their work environment is also very supportive.
I would like to me to be here to share a little information, because I just did a festival in Xi'an. Xi'an, local government, ready to take a piece of land to specialize in contemporary art gathering area, open to the media, their contemporary government said: hundred artists studios, the annual rent for a dollar; we provide round-the exhibition space. support the development of contemporary art. I think this situation, and Beijing is no exception.
creative industries such as we have just issued by the relevant national rejuvenation program. these and China's future development, in fact, relations between big. from the environment , it should help to protect the artist or artists, especially contemporary art, this work should be very supportive. So now part of the problem, I would like to say over planning issues and local interests. from the big side, we or come from the overall appeal of contemporary art as a protection and support, we have to fight from the individual rights perspective.
we can have such a belief, we Contemporary Art, at this point, the state at all levels there will be a support. In the above, that is, we want to communicate about this information, the following please Xu Yong, Zhu Yan things to talk about 798.
Xu Yong: I first want to let the artist to protect their territory, to protect their living environment support. because of my own personal experience may have two aspects, one on the Beijing Hutong Culture and Tourism Protection and Development of Shichahai area. Another is 798.798 from a lot of work since 2003, and today 798 has become a cultural and creative park was.
According to my experience, the artist has always been an uncertain group, in particular contemporary art groups, as it within the system without a clear identity. So when their interests and the government interests and regional interests, or the same time, the government may give some support, and even some inducement for him. If that is when their interests or the conditions of living environment and the Government's interests conflict with the interests of local time, then the government not evasive, or one government, local leadership, and even some of the factory responsible to not hesitate at the expense of artists, art groups of interest. But I think this is not between completely irreconcilable.
like 798 to survive, and today is recognized as a cultural and creative park, but also to see contemporary art as the Government's own social and cultural values. In fact, the issue of the Government in 798, from the beginning and not to tear down 798, or to drive the artist, mainly plant some of the leadership, he felt the artist to survive here, you may talk to their planning and the actual interests of the contrary, so in that time tried to block art district, block artist. At that time we also take advantage of some government support, a number of inducements, which in turn restrict the property side 798, and ultimately the strength of the society, the artist's efforts in support of the Government, 798 were able to exist. so it is with the current situation of the Yuanmingyuan is completely different.
around 798 today, the art district is facing have been removed, the artist living environment facing the destruction of this state, where the most important government interest. because the Government is now among China's economic development, it The most important idea is that as soon as possible, as far as possible, as soon as possible to share resources.
pasture now, the cable Ka Feijiacun, Cui Ge Zhuang problems there, primarily the Government's interest in the work, and the presence of the artist and government interests is clearly contrary to the present. So in this process, the Wangjing area, there are other field, some rural areas of resources, the Government after the successful experience of the demolition has been out of it, by extension, pushing the whole Cable Ka Feijiacun, that is, along the east and north of Beijing urban ring suburbs, which provide certain benefits to farmers replacement, replacement over the land. In this process, often overlooked, is actually a group of artists, For this group the survival and development in the region, not because the government deliberately planning, it is not because at that time a rural township government planning, is a completely spontaneous state. this state, and now because people are more involved to hundreds of households, on the one thousand institutions and artists, to which the government process in the city, and government resources in the process of possession, except to take care of the peasants ...
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